Rachel Maddow and Dave Zirin on the Wildcat Coal Lodge

Rachel Maddow had some fun with the proposed University of Kentucky Wildcat Coal Lodge on her television program Monday night.
“When American thinks basketball, America thinks black lung?” she asked as she threw the story to Dave Zirin, the sports editor for The Nation Magazine.
Zirin also found plenty not to like about the idea, including that the new lodge would replace the Joe B. Hall Wildcat Lodge. Zirin pointed out that Hall was born in Kentucky, grew up in Kentucky, played for Kentucky and coached for Kentucky.
“He’s done everything for Kentucky except put on a saddle and run in the Derby,” Zirin said.

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14 Responses to “Rachel Maddow and Dave Zirin on the Wildcat Coal Lodge”


  1. 1 Matt

    I think they make some very good points. I tend to think that a “happy compromise” can be made to where the coal company gets listed, but the integrity of the institution is maintained. It will be a tough compromise, but one that I hope can be found.

  2. 2 faye

    I DONT THINK IT IS ANY OF RACHEL MADDOX’S CONCERN ABOUT THE WILDCAT COAL LODGE. SHE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABT. STAY WHERE YOU ARE AND LEAVE KY ALONE

  3. 3 JMCCOY

    I can’t believe I opened up this video clip. I should have known it would piss me off. Rachel Maddof is rude and insulting. She reinforces why I don’t watch MSMBC. I undertand why the ratings are in the tank with her style of reporting.

  4. 4 TOM SKEEN

    You have got to be kidding! I guess extreme politically correct is in vogue on the near lowest rating news wannabe show. Thank you for being on MSNBC.

  5. 5 Cathy

    Just leave the University of Kentucky alone. If you dont attend there then stay away from making fun of a long time industry in the state of Kentucky that still maintains schools, roads, and jobs that are needed in the state. And by the way you don’t get black lung when you turn on your lights or attend classes at the University of Kentucky, or drive on the very roads that are paved with coal severance money. If the players that live there dont care what it is called then why should you. Why dont you go after all the schools who have bldgs named after convicted felons. At one point the school — named for Elizabeth Ann Seton, the first U.S.-born saint — found itself with three buildings bearing the names of indicted or convicted felons. There was a gym named after convicted money launderer Robert E. Brennan; a library named for Frank Walsh Jr., a former Tyco board member who pleaded guilty to securities fraud in 2002; and Kozlowski Hall. There are more important things then the naming of a dorm for basketball players. Spend your time planting more trees.

  6. 6 RONALD G. DAY

    WHEN YOU, RACHEL MADDOW AND DAVE ZIRIN, PONY UP $7M WE WILL NAME THE
    LODGE AFTER YOU….GREEN AND GREENER. YOU TWO ARE JUST TRYING TO DEBATE AN ISSUE THAT YOU KNOW LITTLE ABOUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR ELECTRICITY TURNED OFF FOR ABOUT THREE WEEK IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY SO YOU MIGHT REALIZE JUST HOW MUCH YOU ENJOY THE FRUITS OF COAL MINERS LABOR AND THE VALUE OF COAL IN YOUR EVERY DAY LIFE. WAKE UP FROM YOUR GREEN DREAM.

  7. 7 Geoff Goolsbay

    Mr. Craft’s is CEO of publicly-held, SEC-monitored, entities (arlp.com, aghp.com), so profits go to unit holders, while his donations come out of his own pocket, and he is a true UK Wildcat fan, earning his BS in Accounting and JD while attending there.

    UK has numerous research initiatives towards renewable energy, but the campus is almost exclusively powered by coal-fired energy (http://www.research.uky.edu/renewable_energy.html). The analogy shouldn’t be opening a vegetarian restaurant called McDonalds, but rather opening a McDonalds in the US (the origin and largest consumer of McDonalds), since Kentucky is the nation’s largest coalfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky#Economy).

    Butter churner? Pot-bellied stove? Nice way to offend +80,000 hardworking, tax-paying, Americans. It is doubtful that anyone from MSNBC has visited a coal mining facility, ever, and their ignorance of today’s technology and worker landscape is abismal!

    To be corporate branding, I think it would need a corporation’s name in there somewhere. The “Coal Lodge” isn’t the same as “Alliance Coal Lodge”, but I guess the “Comcast Center” (not “Digital Cable Center”) or “Coca-Cola / Bank Atlantic Center” (not “Beverage / Banking Center”) is okay. BTW, Joe B Hall is scheduled to be demolished anyway.

  8. 8 larry t

    Another black eye for the state and my alma mater. We have sold out our finest institution’s credibility for $7 million. Oh and for all you hicks and your coal severance mythical road paving: The commonwealth took in $320 million from this text in FY 08 as compared to the 3.8 BILLION in income taxes paid by those of us that actually went to the University of Kentucky and other institutes of higher education. Get back on your scooter store products and stay in your dry counties- well unless you need to go visit the creation museum.
    class of 2000 B+E

  9. 9 Joe B.

    This is a disgrace to the University of Kentucky, and to the entire commonwealth. I lived in the Joe B. Hall Wildcat Lodge with it’s elegant looking coal fireplace (btw, it doesn’t burn coal, it is made of it), and I know full well that various coal barons paid for that building along with other donations to UK athletics over the years. Nevertheless, to insert the word “COAL” into the name of the new dorm for political reasons is just flat wrong. It is horrible PR, all-around.

    Even if coal were not a politically charged commodity in this day and time, and we were instead naming the dorm after some other politically neutral commodity like let’s just say Soybeans or Corn for example, to name the dorm in such a way is just silly. We wouldn’t name the dorm after tobacco or bourbon whiskey would we? If not those industries, then why coal?

    I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but the burning of coal and other fossil fuels is ruining our planet’s environment and the entire industrialized world is in a race to find and implement alternative “environmentally clean” energy sources. Yes, currently and in the past, coal has kept the lights and the heat on for most of us, but we have paid an enormous price in the end for mining and burning so much of it. Coal is a thing of the past, and UK and the state of Kentucky should be looking forward instead of back.

    Also, naming rights aside, I lived in the current Wildcat Lodge, have seen it recently, and I don’t understand why there is any need for a new building to replace it any time soon. Billy G. recruited blue-chip recruit Patrick Patterson with the existing lodge, and Coach Cal. recruited a boat load of the nation’s best high school talent in his first couple months on campus with the existing lodge. Apparently, the building is so nice that it was an attractive abode even for the semi-professional player John Wall.

  10. 10 elswell

    Ahh, once again we are the laughing stock on a national stage. Seriously, folks, with all due respect to coal miners and their families and communities, the university should be setting an example in being forward thinking, while promoting research into new, sustainable energy sources. Sure, I use electricity from coal.But if I had a way to get electricity from another source, I would; esp. if it was free. (um, the sun) UK prides itself on being this great research institute, but when it comes to acually putting some $ into looking into solutions to these issues, I sure haven’t heard about it. Regardless of political affiliations, everyone needs to drink clean water, and it is becoming rare, mostly because of practices used in mining coal.Call it what you will, take the money and spend it on research.P.S. Maybe the players uniforms should be covered in corporate logos just like nascar?

  11. 11 Ann

    I am a University of Kentucky student. We are apparently voiceless in the on campus ‘debate’, so thank you for the opportunity to comment. It is disappointing and sad that university officials are willing to essentially do anything, no matter how ridiculous and backward, to keep donors happy. Especially donors to the basketball program. A LEED certified monument to coal? Embarrassing.

  12. 12 jp

    this just proves how out of touch cnn and msnbc are fron the real people. i am insulted by the rude derogatory comments about residents in this great state. you need to educate yourself before you spout off your liberal crap. coal is the 21st century. it probably powers the lights and computer you are using right now. get a grip…. an education would do you a world of good.

  13. 13 Bob Finch

    Probably be nicknamed “The Strip Mine” What a sad joke. Out of State Coal Companies own Kentucky, Kentuckians and UK. Pity.

    I’m a UK grad - I have a right, just say’n before you go off on me.

  14. 14 Kenny

    Thank GOD for coal and the miners who produce and develop the mines in EASTERN Ky. Some of the comments that were made before are totally ignorant of the fact and those individuals need to return to UK and finish their education on coal and how it keeps their life enjoyable. For those who don’t live in Eastern KY and try to tell us what is right and wrong, go stick your shoe in your month, that’s where it belongs. Maybe we need to start telling these educated fools how to live their life. Oh, that would go over well. Anyway, for the people who think they know what they are talking about, GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!

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